Let’s Talk About Pricing – Candles & Petals for the Aisle

Red rose petal and candle lined ceremony aisle by The Flower House

Red rose petal and candle lined ceremony aisle by The Flower House

Red rose petal and candle lined ceremony aisle by The Flower House

I love my friend Amy, she tells it the way it is!
In her words-

The Roses:
The aisle was made using 500 roses worth of petals. I bought box lots and got a great price on them 2 weeks before Valentines day. The bulk roses cost us $0.48 each but I HAD to take shipment 2 weeks out to lock in the price before the ridiculous holiday pricing kicked in. Ironically, the other 600 roses I ordered for personal flowers and centerpieces (which were at the highest sessional Valentine’s prices and from a very excellent grower) came in so ugly that I ended up using the roses I had stored dry for 2 weeks. The new roses that cost $2.25 a stem wholesale went on the aisle. Damn V-day.
Aisle petals: $1000 (which is really only possible with bulk pricing).

The Candles:
75 each side, assorted pillars and floating, $1000. That particular wedding we were able to incorporate previously burned pillars. New would have cost her double. I generally only use LED now- because of real candles propensity to blow out and for safety reasons. The last wedding we did that treatment with using real candles was at demand of the mother of the Bride. I had really pushed her for LED and she refused. The bride’s dress caught on fire during the ceremony. The mom laughed about it afterwards and said that was her own fault. Now when I tell brides and MOBs that story they all quickly agree that LEDs are just fine. HAHAHA!
LED treatments can also be done without the glass and it still looks pretty.
I charged $500 to set up and strike the aisle too.

Total Price Tag: $2,500.00

Thank you, Amy, for working with us on this pricing post. Amy is the owner of The Flower House in Denver, Colorado.

Let’s Talk about Pricing – Aisle Petals II

Did you do your homework yesterday? Did you calculate out what you’d charge for this aisle petal design?

Lush aisle petals on The Broadmoor, designed by Cori Cook

Here are a few more angles on the aisle …

Lush aisle petals on The Broadmoor, designed by Cori Cook

(8) 25-stem bunches of roses = 200 Stems of Roses

Cori was able to pre-order and confirm a discounted price for these roses. (Remember what we said yesterday, getting discounted prices can be tricky so be very careful with this approach. Cori was able to secure a discount price and opted to pass on that savings to her clients.)
200 Roses x $2.00 per stem Retail = $400.00
Labor 30% = $115.50
Setup – 2 People x $50.00 Per Hour x 1 Hour = $100.00
Strike – 2 People x $50.00 Per Hour x 1 Hour = $100.00
Final Price = $725.00 (Round up to a ‘whole number’)

Now most people who did answer us yesterday stated they would charge $800-$1,500 for this aisle petal treatment.
Let’s do the math:
200 Roses x $4.00 per stem Retail = $800.00
Labor 30% = $240.00
Setup – 2 People = $100.00
Strike – 2 People = $100.00
Final Price = $1240.00 (Round up or down to a ‘whole number’, I’d probably go to $1,200.00 or $1,250.00)

Huge Thank You to Cori Cook Floral Design for working with us on this project!
PS – did you all see those gorgeous floral arrangements at the front and back of the aisle?! g.o.r.g.e.o.u.s

Let’s Talk About Pricing – Aisle Petals

The on-going question I hear in the floral industry is – “how much should I charge for (such & such) design?”
Of course there are many factors that go into figuring out the final price of all floral designs – the season, the availability of the flowers, your location.
And it seems one of the hardest designs to price out are aisle petals. After all, can’t you just pick up unused flower petals off your floor?? Surely you’ve heard brides, wedding planners, other vendors, and magazines/blogs suggest that idea! As if.

Let’s take a deeper look at why petals cost what they cost.
#1- A Rose is a Rose and each one costs the same regardless of how you plan to use it.
#2- The majority of roses are flown in from South America and transportation to get them here costs money.
#3- At times we can get discounted petals from our wholesalers – such a lovely treat when that works out that way! However, we have to plan on paying full-price for the roses, there is no guarantee we can get the petals at a discounted price – especially in a specific color.
#4- Those petals off the floor? Yea sure, those guard petals that have been stomped on will look great down the aisle.
#5- And even if we did decide to pick them up off the floor we’d have to pay an employee to do so – that costs money.
#6- There’s never enough discarded petals on the floor to use on an aisle anyway.
#7- Most people think – well, it’s JUST petals. Preparing petals takes time – figure out how long it takes to de-petal 200 roses … time=money. Charge for that time. It takes time to calculate how many petals are needed, ordering them, picking them up, conditioning them, de-petaling, storing them and time to actually setup at the wedding.
#8- Keep in mind the clean up after the event and the labor involved – washing containers and buckets, etc.

When you think about it there is a lot to consider when pricing out aisle petals, right?

Let’s do a little homework project together.
Check out this gorgeous aisle design by Cori Cook Floral Design of Colorado.
Cori used (8) 25-stem bunches of roses to complete this look.
Lush aisle petals on The Broadmoor, designed by Cori Cook

Please leave us a comment and tell us what you’d charge for this design.
Tomorrow we’ll be back with what Cori charged.

What is the per guest cost for this table? by Nancy Liu Chin

At the end of the last post on Flirty Fleurs Blog, I promised Alicia that I would do another behind the scenes breakdown of real costs. Last time, the design was more luxe and glam. This time I wanted to feature rustic/farmhouse, country elegance. I have a feeling that this style might connect with more of you as not many weddings are Gatsby like(yet!)

I certainly want to reiterate what I said previously which is this — the world, as we know it, is filled with instant gratification. Through the ease at which any bride, groom, planner can now find stunning inspirations via“social media or the internet outlets “ (aka pinterest, twitter, facebook, instagram, blogs), wedding “eye candy” has encouraged a heightened level of expectation — which many clients may not be able to afford.

Visual impact of posts, tweets, instagrams from planned photo shoots and actual real weddings have set the bar – the standards of beauty for a wedding is now much higher than ever before. What was in yesterday, might not be good enough today.
What was once considered a fantasy, now seems and appears to be a norm that should be doable, reachable. Because every day people seem to have weddings that look equally as glamorous as celebrities, brides (and their planners) are having a harder time trying to distinguish the true value of things.

For several years now, there seems to be dozens and dozens of weddings featured daily that are all so beautiful and quite detailed oriented. It’s made people think that every wedding can look like a published real wedding.

I promised in the last article that I would show a breakdown of another design. I wanted it to be rustic and country since the last one was more ballroom and luxury. I also wanted to feature a table design that was more simple and featured items that were not premium rentals. Going with linens that were actually poly cotton. Dishes that were standard. This photo shoot at Quarry Hill featuring BLR Photo and A Savvy Event was previously featured on Style Me Pretty and also in 2012’s Today’s Bride Magazine.

centerpiece

Nancy Liu Chin

Nancy Liu Chin

Nancy Liu Chin

For this reception underneath a wood gazebo, we(meaning our awesome planner, A Savvy Event and I) decided on 2 long tables(each 16 feet long, seating 16 guests each). For this rustic, garden look, let’s break down the costs – for 32 guests

4 8 feet table metal tables – $60 each
8 wooden bench – $30
6 Large Rustic Lanterns – $25 each
6 Medium Rustic Lanterns – $20 each
6 Small Rustic Lanterns – $15 each
30 dozen rose petals – $150
Scented Colored candles for Lanterns – $8.99 each
32 Bowls – $.55 each
32 Cream Dinner plates – $.55 each
32 Cream Chargers – $1.15 each
32 Bread Plates – $.55 each
32 Melon Poly Cotton Napkins – $.75 each
32 Champagne Etched Glass – $.75 each
32 Water Etched Glass – $.75 each
32 Wine Etched Glass – $.75 each
32 Knife – $.60 each
32 Salad Fork – $.60 each
32 Dinner Fork – $.60 each
32 Spoon – $.60 each
2 boxes of 24 macaroons each – $42.00 each box
8 rustic centerpieces featuring coral charm peonies, ranunculus and other seasonal flowers from NLC – $75.00 each
6 Assorted Pillows – $15.00 each

*setup, delivery, taxes and breakdown costs are not included.

What do you think is the per guest cost?

Is it between
a) $20 – $35?
b) $35 – $50?
c) $50 – $75?
d) none of the above

Please note: For this photo shoot, Kelly McKeskey-Dolata, wedding planner and owner of A Savvy Event and I rented all the tables, lanterns, dishes, glassware, linens, pillows, flatware. The flowers, macaroons and the paper products were not rental items. All rentals courtesy of Wine Country Party Rentals. Venue at Quarry Hill in Sonoma. Photography by BLR

I would like to end this by saying that I’m guilty of feeding this frenzy of complex tablescapes, glamourous weddings, and intricate pretty details that all seem pretty effortless. Effortless. But it would be naïve of me to say that behind even a simple table design, there were countless of decisions and hours and hours of thought. I’m lucky to have an abundance of resources(yet I always want more) that can make any dream, inspiration happen!

Let us know what you think about this more budget design.

Written by Nancy Liu Chin, visit Nancy’s Website HERE.
Thank you, Nancy, for another fabulous and in-depth article. I, for one, am quite curious to hear what the Price Per Guest is!

What is the per guest cost for this table? by Nancy Liu Chin

I’m so pleased to be writing another article for the Flirty Fleurs Blog. Alicia has been so inspiring to me as I await the new ideas, new flower tips, and behind the scenes stories from her perspective.

One of the things I often sense from clients today is that they have these fantasy inspiration boards through pinterest or lover.ly that to them should be achievable. After all, if it’s so easy to find all this wedding “eye candy”, it’s got to be fairly reachable for any budget, right?

Unlike when I was wedding planning in 1999, where the average bride would only see a handful of real weddings in magazines, today you can see plenty of new real weddings every day (actually – not just a handful in magazines but dozens upon dozens of real weddings on blogs, on line digital magazines as well as through pinterest, facebook, twitter and instagram), so there is no shortage of real weddings! What was once seen as special, unique, and one of kind, today with the oversaturation of “real weddings”, it would make anyone planning a wedding now to feel like all things are within their budgetary grasp.

But is it?

What is behind the cost for a real event, might just surprise you.
Let’s break down this Gatsby inspired Art Deco table featured in April 2013’s Grace Ormonde’s digital wedding issue.

Grace Ormonde

Nancy Liu Chin Floral Design

This table photographed by Kevin Chin and designed by Charmed Events and NLC Designs.

Black Gold White Table Setting

black succulent

Black Gold White Table Setting

Black Gold White Table Setting

Black Gold White Table Setting

Black Gold White Table Setting

Black Gold White Table Setting

For this 24 foot long table, let’s break down the costs – for 24 guests

3 8 feet table Black – $225 each
30 Louis Chair Black chair with Gold Cushion center – $17.50 Each
5 Black Acrylic Lamps – $45 each
1 Gold And Black Back Drop – $500
30 Gold King A. Dinner Fork – $1.20 each
30 Gold Dinner Knives -$1.20 each
90 Gold Salad Fork(30 for salad, 30 for 1st course, 30 for dessert)- $1.20 each
60 Gold Salad Knives – $1.20 each
30 Gold Teaspoon – $1.20 each
30 Black C. Napkin $2.25 each
30 Black Onyz Goblet – $1.56 each
30 Champagne Glass $- 1.46 each
30 Wine Glass -$1.46 each
30 Water Glass – $1.46 each
30 Black Charger – $3.15
30 Gothic Plate – $.1.00 each
90 Gothic Salad Plate(30 for salad, 30 for 1st plated course, 30 for cake) – $1.00 each
30 Cups – $1.00 each
30 Saucer – $1.00
30 Dinner Plate white with Gold – $.57 each
4 Chevron Runner – $30 each
20 gold logs – $5 each
4 gold arrangement with all white lisianthus – $70 each
3 gold arrangements with white irises – $55 each
12 narrow glass with white phalenopsis – $40 each
20 black succulent – $7.50 each
24 gold votives – $2.25 each
15 assorted Mercury Distressed Candlesticks – $10 each
15 Pillar candles – $12.50 each
3 oval gold arrangements with white cyclamen – $55 each
8 pieces of gold sand blasted grapevine – $25 each
4 cans of gold spray paint – $5.50 each
2 bunches of loose white phalenopsis orchid – $150 each

*setup, delivery, taxes and breakdown costs are not included.

What is the per guest cost for this table?

A: $170 per guest!

It’s sometimes hard to understand but a reception is not just about the flowers but it’s a combination of many parts.

This was a ballroom table so look forward to my next article will I will break down a farm/rustic table.

Contact Information:
Nancy Liu Chin Floral & Event Design

Thank you, Nancy, for this insightful article! As always, you are such an inspiring treasure in our floral industry!

Let’s Discuss Small Budgets..

Hi Flower Friends,
I received the following email from one of our readers and I think she raises a very good concern. Let’s face it, not every bride can spend thousands of dollars on flowers and decorations. I realize many of you have minimums for clients, but someone out there must be taking care of the smaller budget brides. To those designers, what advice do you have for our reader? (and all the other readers wondering the same thing). Please leave a comment below, or if you have photos of pieces you’ve designed for budget brides, please email those to: info@flirtyfleurs.com.

“I’m working as a new designer in a medium-sized, quite financially-conservative (and overall conservative) town.
I have been able to find tons of articles online and in print from high-profile designers about making sure you charge for the full value of your work, educating your customers on the value of what you do, explaining the pricing behind their pinterest and bridal magazine finds– but the average wedding budget here is probably $10,000-$12,000, with the DIYers obviously clocking in as low as they possibly can.
At the small local flower shop where I used to work, the average budget for wedding flowers was $500-$1200. They wanted roses in a little posy. They wanted gerberas, they wanted daisies. To put it bluntly, it wasn’t a matter of educating the customer or upselling them, this was their budget, and they weren’t willing or able to spend more.
Some of my workarounds so far have been monotbotanic/ monochrome arrangements so I can order in bulk, loading up on greenery and garlands vs. spending on flowers, selling market bunches for the diy crowd, but I am always looking for new ideas.
Are there any websites, portfolios, thoughts or articles that you or your contributors could recommend for someone in a small town with small budgets? I would love advice on making a small budget look more thoughtfully-styled.”

pink peonies in a bud vase

The Pricing of Boutonnieres

Designed by Shannon Cosgrove-Rivas of Flourish, California. 3 Yellow Aranda orchids Seeded Eucalyptus Solidaster Brezillia berry (sprayed silver) Dusty miller $18.50 (photo by Briggs Photography)

Designed by Shannon Cosgrove-Rivas of Flourish, California.
3 Yellow Aranda orchids
Seeded Eucalyptus
Solidaster
Brezillia berry (sprayed silver)
Dusty miller
$18.50
(photo by Briggs Photography)

Designed by Tracy Park of Park Place Design. Blue sea thistle, Globe Thistle (from my garden)   Queen Annes Lace and wrapped with a twine  22.50

Designed by Tracy Park of Park Place Design, Michigan.
Blue Sea Thistle
Globe Thistle (from my garden)
Queen Annes Lace
Wrapped with twine
22.50
(photo by Michael Terri Studios)

Designed by Holly of Sweet Pea Floral Design, Michigan. (www.sweetpfloral.com) Nerine lily Star of Bethlehem Seeded Eucalyptus Grey Grosgrain Ribbon Silver Boutonniere pin $17.50

Designed by Holly of Sweet Pea Floral Design, Michigan.
Nerine lily
Star of Bethlehem
Seeded Eucalyptus
Grey Grosgrain Ribbon
Silver Boutonniere pin
$17.50

Designed by Ria of Natures Grace Design, Colorado.  Gloriosa orange, craspedia, willow euc. celosia, satin ribbon,   pinwheel accent   $15.00

Designed by Ria of Nature’s Grace Design, Colorado.
Gloriosa orange
Craspedia
Willow euc. Celosia
Satin ribbon
Pinwheel accent
$15.00

Designed by Amanda of Alluring Blooms, Wisconsin.  Burgundy ranunculus Sprig of red huck Sprig of gold grivellia Wire/tape Pure silk ribbon $13.00

Designed by Amanda of Alluring Blooms, Wisconsin.
Burgundy ranunculus
Sprig of red huck
Sprig of gold grivellia
Wire/tape
Pure silk ribbon
$13.00

Craspedia,kangaroo paw, dusty, bear grass, grosgrain ribbon $15.00

Designed by Ria of Nature’s Grace Design, Colorado.
Craspedia
Kangaroo Paw
Dusty Miller
Bear Grass
Grosgrain Ribbon
$15.00

Lily grass, fiddle head fern, moss, and scabiosa pod, and a succulent, The Number 22 was added for the groom it was his late fathers number. wrapped with silver bullion wire.. I charged 28.00

Designed by Tracy Park of Park Place Design, Michigan.
Lily grass
Fiddle head fern
Moss
Scabiosa pod
Succulent
The Number 22 was added for the groom it was his late fathers number
Wrapped with silver bullion wire
$28.00

Designed by Lisa of Petals and Promises. Birch twig, Acorns, sprigs of Naked Seeded Euc, Bittersweet with florets of Black Story Orchids and Bear Grass 15.00

Designed by Lisa of Petals and Promises, Maryland.
Birch twig
Acorns
Sprigs of Naked Seeded Eucalyptus
Bittersweet
Florets of Black Story Orchids
Bear Grass
15.00

2 ranunculus 1 freesia viburnum berries $21.00

Designed by Holly of Sweet Pea Floral Design, Michigan.
2 Ranunculus
1 Freesia
Viburnum berries
$21.00

Designed by Cindy of Bloomers Floral Design, California. 2 Lisianthus blooms and a bud myrtle. $10.50

Designed by Cindy of Bloomers Floral Design, California.
2 Lisianthus blooms and a bud
Myrtle
$10.50

Ranunculus, arailia foliage, dusty miller Salal, chiffon ribbon, accent   applique  $15.00

Designed by Ria of Nature’s Grace Design, Colorado.
Ranunculus
Arailia foliage
Dusty Miller
Salal
Chiffon ribbon
Accent applique
$15.00

A discussion on Wedding Budgets with Nancy Liu Chin

A few days ago, a prospective client sent me an email asking me to create a wedding floral proposal for a 200 guest sit down dinner reception and ceremony in the Northern California area at a 4 star hotel(*according to Tripadvisor) based on some images that he/she was inspired by.

The wedding was described as the following(to hide the anonymity of the client, I have paraphrased from her email and have changed the rounded the budget to the narrowest thousand).

Different shades of pinks and white hues for 200 guests equaling 20 tables in total. 3 different kinds of centerpieces from low to medium to tall with the tallest arrangement being not too full of flowers to keep the cost down. Incorporating crystals and possibly feathers as it was part of the theme.
For the wedding party will need a bridal bouquet, a toss bouquet, 5 bridemaids’ bouquets, 1 groom’s boutonniere, 10 ceremony aisle decoration with
2 additional floral arrangements for the ceremony to be repurposed for the sweetheart table.

With regards to the flowers, the client said that he/she was not picky about flowers and could even use baby’s breath if needed. In conclusion, the wedding budget for flowers would need to be under $2000.

I am including two visuals of the images that he/she sent so that we as vendors and as potential clients can learn a bit about budgeting.

glamorous centerpieces

glamourous centerpie

crystal vases with white flowers

Even before I address this specific question, I thought I would play “bride” and find an online resource to see what I should expect to budget for an average wedding.

I used a wedding calculator called Cost of Wedding.com.
http://www.costofwedding.com/index.cfm/action/costest.index

After inputting the information the result concluded that the average wedding in Northern California for 200 guests would be $46,900 with an estimated cost per guest of $235 not including any travel.
See below for the breakdown.

wedding planning

wedding budgets

wedding budgets

wedding budget

I want to highlight the floral information which shows that even the internet calculated the average flowers for this 200 guest to be $2800. The take away from this exercise is the following.

1) Is your wedding at average, above, or below the average in your area?
2) Are your wedding inspirations minimal, fair, or designer?
3) Does your budget also include delivery, taxes, and other rental fees associated with flowers.

As you can see in the budget, the calculator does not factor in deliver, installation, setup, breakdown, prop rental, taxes, or any design shop fees that might incur. A more realistic budget should account for these non related items.
If the calculator offers you a $2800 average cost for flowers, keep that in mind when you are asking for a proposal. The non floral should be on top of the budget. Note: Tell your vendor that the budget you have does not include for non floral expenses so that they can write a proposal that is fair. Or tell your vendor that your budget needs to include all incidentals which means, you will get much less flowers.

When a client says they want the following for less than $2000, that means it is below the average and on the low end. If we were choosing a dinner spot, we would understand that to mean that the restaurant might be off the beaten track, possibly new, or lacking in décor or food quality. If the range for dinner restaurants in SF were $15 to $50 then everyone knows that the $15 dinner place might be hamburgers and fries versus the higher is Wagyu beef.

If your design concept is not your average flowers, more tailored, more designer,it’s almost impossible to expect that any decent floral designer could create your dream inspired wedding at the lowest end of the average for flowers.

Picture 34

This clients’ $2000 floral budget is just not achievable when you break things down.

Here’s my low end breakdown taking the budget below and reducing it by 15% roughly per item.
1 Bridal bouquet $149 each – $148( I took $174 and reduced it by 15%)
5 Bridedsmaid $38 each – $190 ( I took $226, reduced it by 15% and divided it by 5 bouquets)
1 Toss Bouquet $38 each – $38 ( I took the price of 1 bridesmaid and assumed the toss would be at the bridesmaid bouquet price)
1 Boutonniere $24.50 each – $24.50 ( I took the boutonniere/corsage and divided it by 6 pieces(1 for groom, 5 for groomsmen. I took 15% off to get to $24.50)
10 Aisle Pew Flowers $29.50 each = $295 ( I took the $347 for ceremony décor and took 15% and divided by 10)
2 Ceremony flowers $165 each = $330( I took $389 for ceremony flower arrangements, took 15% and divided by 2)
20 Centerpieces – all same style = $65 each = $1300(I took All reception flowers plus the amount for the flowers girl since the client did not request a flower girl and added it together to get to $1531, took 15% off and divided by 20)

Total if I took 15% off the average = $2326.50. The client’s request is still $326.50 below this “below average request”. There simply is no way for any designer to do this unless the centerpiece is below average.

It also assumes that there is a designer who could do a bridesmaid bouquet for $38.00(*it would have to be very very small, perhaps all baby’s breath). Even if I could locate someone to do the flowers, it doesn’t account for any crystals, any vases, any embellishment. It assumes that someone is willing to do 3 varied arrangements so that it averages $65.00. That’s going to be hard to find.

For brides, please just take a quick look at what a $120.00 average centerpieces on 1800 flowers looks like.

flower budgets

I’ll even show you my $120.00 centerpiece.

Nancy Liu Chin pink and white centerpiece

The reason why I think this client’s budget isn’t realistic is because it assumes that a business is willing to take profit loses. Unfortunately, most thriving businesses can’t just give every wedding away. If so, the floral designer would eventually be out of business. To invest in 1) tall and grand vases is a huge undertaking that involves knowing future client preferences. If a vendor is willing to invest in these props, then there is more of a likelihood that they could sell this wedding at a potential loss. Please note invest for 9 vases is $990(If I were to buy 2 for the sweet heart table + 7(1/3 for the centerpieces) = 9 x $110 each not including shippings/taxes).

vase full of gems

Secondly, it also assumes that a business owner is willing to forego the cost of delivery, installation, breakdown and possibly design labor costs. This is also very unrealistic. The cost of fuel is rising. Labor in the SF area is now $10.55 at the minimum wage. Venues are requiring more rental and floral businesses to acquire worker’s compensation. Delivery vehicles rent for approximate $125 for a cargo or mini van a day. Skilled designers to create arrangements as well as delivery is on a rise. All in all, the cost for labor is increasing and unless the business owner can do it all, this is probably not responsible to ask a business to take a major hit to make this one wedding budget.

Lastly, it assumes that one’s flowers are on the below average side. And that is the great folly. When your inspiration images are obviously from a luxury wedding inspiration table, it’s really hard and difficult to do quality work and have quality products and quality props and the low end. Something has got to give. It’s the old champagne taste, beer budget. And in this reality, when your inspiration is on the over the top side, it really is hard to make it fit. It’s like two things are fighting each other.

So to review, ask yourself is your flower style minimal, average or designer. Ask yourself did you account for non floral costs? Do some research and find out what your props might actually costs? Be more realistic when you collect your inspiration images. Do some homework and figure out what average cost is in your area before realizing if your over the top dreams can fit into a below average budget? Find a floral internet website like a 1800flowers or ftd.com. Look and examine what a middle of the road flowers service charges. This will give you insight into what real average design and costs are.


Thank you, Nancy, for this insightful and helpful article!

Nancy’s beautiful floral designs can be viewed on her website:
http://nancyliuchin.com/

The pricing of Pomanders

Let’s talk about the pricing of Pomanders (aka Kissing Balls), it seems like these range in price more than any other flower arrangement. I decided to post two different pomanders, one with a mix of hydrangeas and spray roses and the other of only spray roses. I then asked florists from around North America what they would charge. Wow, do the prices range greatly!

What do you think? What would you charge for these pomanders?

hydrangea and spray rose pomander
(designed by Holly Heider Chapple Flowers, photograph on left side by Anne Robert)
Recipe:
3″ Oasis Netted Floral Foam Sphere
24″ – 1″ wide of sheer ribbon
2 Stems of antique green hydrangea
5 Stems of pink spray roses
5 Stems of lavender spray roses
7 Stems of Gomphrena

Holly’s price for this design is $110.00. Let’s see where all the other florists came in at:

Amanda from Alluring Blooms in Wisconsin priced this at $125.00
Amanda mentioned she loves using the netted spheres, big time saver for her designers.

Alexandra from Exquisite Designs in Chicago priced this at $75.00

Peggy and Carol of Celebrations Florals in Oregon priced this at $75.00

Liza of DBI Events in Arlington, Virginia priced this at $75.00

Sherry of Gertie Mae’s Floral Studio in Georgia priced this at $75-95 depending on the season.

Sheri of Blumen Meisters in New Braunfels, Texas priced this at $100.00

Angie of Posh Floral in Dallas, Texas would price this at $70.00

Laurie of Fleurie in Reedley, California priced this at $117.00

Elizabeth of Flowers Talk in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada priced this at $100.00

Pam at Flourish in Kitchener, Ontario priced this at $125.00.

Jessica of Blooms ‘n Blossoms in Georgetown, Kentucky would charge $105.

Adizat of Klassy Kreations Floral & Event Design in Maryland would price this at $80.00.
Adizat would omit the gomphrena due to quality issues and the price of a bunch.


Orange spray rose pomander
(designed by Bella Fiori)
Recipe:
4.5″ Oasis Netted Floral Foam Sphere
24″ – 1/2″ wide of sheer ribbon
10 Stems (1 bu.) Mambo Spray roses – (each stem has 5-7 blooms)

My (Bella Fiori) original price for this design was $75.00. Let’s see where everyone else priced it:

Amanda from Alluring Blooms in Wisconsin priced this at $55.00

Alexandra from Exquisite Designs in Chicago priced this at $49.00

Peggy and Carol of Celebrations Florals in Oregon priced this at $75.00
They did account for 2 additional stems of mambo spray roses for a total of 12 stems.

Liza of DBI Events in Arlington, Virginia priced this at $50.00

Sherry of Gertie Mae’s Floral Studio in Georgia priced this at $65-80 depending on the season.

Sheri of Blumen Meisters in New Braunfels, Texas priced this at $70.00

Angie of Posh Floral in Dallas, Texas would price this at $50.00

Laurie of Fleurie in Reedley, California priced this at $66.00

Elizabeth of Flowers Talk in Ottawa, Canada priced this at $60.00

Pam at Flourish in Kitchener, Ontario priced this at $80.00.

Jessica of Blooms ‘n Blossoms in Georgetown, Kentucky would charge $70.

Adizat of Klassy Kreations Floral & Event Design in Maryland would price this at $40.00


What do you all think? What would you charge for these pomanders?

Let’s talk about Peonies and a thing called seasonality..

Ok, perhaps this is a bit of a vent..
Let’s talk about Peonies. Seems these days it is the number one requested flower by brides, right?? Problem is, they often want this flower in August, September, early October and for the most part peonies are just not available. I know what some of you will say, that peonies are available from Alaska, Chile, Timbuktu, etc.
Ok, so let’s look at what these really look like at this time of year:

This is a white peony a friend of mine received for a July 4th wedding. The correct retail price for this little gem? $22.75 per STEM! Do you see how tiny it is?? Perhaps you cannot see it, because it is so tiny:

white peony bud

Only $22.75 per stem!

This little pink guy is from this past week, I got my hands on a few for a Sept. 2nd wedding. Yes, it’s impressive that I could get peonies this late in the season, but is it really worth it? The retail price for this stem? $12 per stem. Not bad considering it is September, although the wholesaler cut me a deal so that’s why the lower price.

Pink peony bud

Only $12 per stem!

WOW, right?

Plus, let’s face it, the brides expect the peonies to look like this:

white peony bridal bouquet

Bridal bouquet designed by Courtenay Lambert Florals of Kentucky


coral pink peony

Annabella Charles Photography


white peonies and clematis

White peony & clematis arrangement by Florali

**SIGH**
Let’s face it, at some point we just have to let peonies go for the season and use lovely garden roses & dahlias instead..